Cessna Structural Inspection

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Cessna Structural Inspection

Hello everyboby
somebody hear something about structural inspection released by cessna and concerning 300, 200 and 100 series ?
is it mandatory ?
i don't see any AD (FAA and EASA)and no cessna's maintenance manuel revision (chapter O5) to take into account these inspections

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AskBob
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There is a new AD coming for the seat rails that supersedes AD 87-20-03 R2. Could this be what you are thinking about? The news release on this new action is here:
http://www.askbob.aero/content/ad-affects-36000-cessnas

acena
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my question is on aicraft structure in general and request to inspect particular zones (wing spar, rudder, stabilizer, etc) for corrosion or craks on aircraft having accumated a specific number of hours, cycles or days.

Rich Slater (not verified)
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According to the Cessna Customer Service there are NO life limitations or special structural inspections other than those required by routine periodic, annual or or 100 hour on the 100, 200 or 300 series arcraft.

There are some limitations on turbine powered aircraft, maybe this is what you heard?

Rich Slater

acena
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Hi,

just for information i asked to Cessna customer too and find below the answer:
"Cessna Engineering said the inspections you are referring to, are scheduled to be released sometime this year. The inspections have been released for the 336 and 337."
but now i don' t kwnow if this inspection will be mandatory and if an AD (or other) will be released to implent it.

Anonymous (not verified)
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Not sure about the 337, but Cessna most certainly does have a supplemental structural inspection document for the 100 series, D5133-13, 100 Series Continued Airworthiness Program. Not mandatory under FAA.

TonyT (not verified)
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It is all well and good Cessna introducing the AD for the seat base and rail inspections on the 152, in which it states if the foot is worn replace it......... the problem being on the C152 is that is the complete seat base, not a detachable foot, and Cessna no longer produce te seat bases..... sort of a catch 22 situation there.

acena
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Hi,
Are you sure that CAP containt a Supplemental structural inspection (i don't have access to this Cessna publication) and if yes why does cessna never include them in maintenance manual ?.

Anonymous (not verified)
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Yes, I'm sure. You can purchase it for around 100 USD from Cessna Tech Pubs.

TonyT (not verified)
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ACENA,

If you are using the ATP system and have Cessnas on it, go to the likes of the Cessna 152 Maintainance Publicattions, look down the list and you will find you do have the Continued Airworthiness Manual 100 series in that list, that has the information there for all time limit inspection for the 100 series aircraft.

AskBob
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There is a book (D5133-13) titled "Continued Airworthiness Program - Model 100 Series Piston Single Engine Aircraft". Although the title says 100 Series the manual only lists effectivity through the 172Q and 182R.

So I think a more specific question is what Continued Airworthiness program applies to the re-start models. Is it just Ch 5 & 51 in the MM? Does the 100 Series manual apply even if the effectivity page excludes these models?

I will try and make contact with Cessna to see what they say.

acena
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based on what i could heart on this program because i don't have acess to it (thought ATP or paper) i think that look like MPD for Airbus. this document is a "compilation" of all data and experiences applicable on 100 series and others (throught different manuals).
so you can find:
1) airwothiness data like :
- repetitive AD
- 05 chapter items
2) no mandatory data like:
- cessna owner experience
- maintenance shop experience (MRO)
- non mandatory SB (repetitive and one time inspection)
- structural inspection based on defects reported to cessna
you can choice to applied items issued §2 but you must applied item issued from §1 (airworthiness items)
and i think it's the raison why this CAP manual is not considered as mandatory by FAA autorithy

Now an new question cross my mind (in french: me vient à l'esprit ):
mandatory SB must be or not applied systematically

Anonymous (not verified)
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Bob, I don't know what you are looking at, but this is the document I referenced in an earlier post. I am looking at the actual document now and it clearly delineates applicability for all 100 series from 120 through 195.

Anonymous (not verified)
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No, the reason that this manual is not considered mandatory by the FAA is that it has not gone through the public rule making process. While these additional inspections might be a wise and prudent thing to do, they could not stand the scrutiny and data analysis that would come forward if an effort were made to make them mandatory. In other words, not needed.

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I was looking at the Applicability section (page vi in paper, page 15 in pdf) where it lists the models. For example for the 172 it says "172 thru 172Q", the 172 R & S are not listed as being covered by the manual. I am looking at the version with TR2 (1/2000). Maybe I am missing something but it looked like all the current production 172/182 are not listed in this manual.

acena
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hi bob,
i think new cessna generation are not included on this manual because cessna don't have enought feed back about aicraft aging and it's too early to define exacly where are located the criticals aeras. of course based on previous cessna 100 series, it's recommended to inspect the same zones

The new Supplemental Inspection Documents (SID's) have been released by Cessna for the C336/C337 Skymaster and have been incorporated in the Maintenance Manual. These SID's are not mandatory in the US for Part 91 operations but could affect other commercial operations and most jurisdictions outside of the US could enforce the procedures. The Skymaster owners association has reviewed the drafts of these inspections and determined that compliance could be more costly than the aircraft is worth. This is very unfortunate because there are a large number of Skymasters outside of the US. These SID's for the Skymaster are the foundation of yet to come similar inspections that will be written for all high wing Cessna aircraft.

See the link below
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/CessnaConfirmsSkymasterWingInspecti...

It is an ongoing move to respond to the FAA concern for Aging Aircraft. All manufacturers at some point will need to address this issue.

Anonymous (not verified)
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would anyone know when i can get a copy of continued airworthiness program for cessna 100 series aircraft - D5130-13.Many thanks for and help

acena
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unfortunely i have no idea but i read in the cessna's new letters, that struture manuel inspection for 100 series is coming soon but not issued yet

Anonymous (not verified)
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The 100 series supplemental inspection doc has been out for some time now, available from Cessna tech pubs.

acena
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are you sure that we speak about the same document. CPA is already issued since few months. but i earth that an programm structure inspection like 200 serie is in progress and should be issued by cessna on 2012 (in cessna news letter)

Anonymous (not verified)
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D5133-13AF D5133-13 100 Series Continuous Airworthiness Program 53.00 (F)118.00 (F)

Again, Cessna Tech pubs is your friend

navajoflyer
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D5121-12 Continued Airworthiness Model 200 Series covers this subject. Additionally the 206 Series Maintenance Manual Section 2A temp revision 10 talks about CPCP and SID.

Anonymous (not verified)
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http://www.cessna.com/customer-service/technical-publications.html

The Cessna 100 Series SID's have just been posted today.

The URL may require registration but all 100 and 200 Series aircraft pdf files can be downloaded free of charge.

There would be a lot of work required for the average 40 year old 100 Series aircraft to be compliant.

acena
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thanks for this information. I also seen SID video. Regading the URL link to ceesna customer support web site, I already have an access but i didn't find these files. could you tell my where there are located on it (technical publication , Aicraft publication, ) or an another specific registrion is necessary. on Cessna Revision Status Checklist dated 04/13/12, i didn't find it too

AskBob
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We are downloading them so we can send them on our DVDs.

For the Cessna website it took me a while to find them online. After I logged in I clicked 100 SE Series in My Models (left column). Then in the right hand colum is a Additional Information section with a link titled SID Information. This took me to a page of all the SID documents

acena
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now I find them.
In fact, there are included in TR available for each service manual.
thanks a lot and have a good day

Anonymous (not verified)
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The Cessna 172M Service Manual revision issued yesterday is over 200 pages thick. That is just the additional pages.. !!

http://www.cessna.com/customer-service/technical-publications.html
''''''Login to the Customer Access area for more publication information:''''

You will be required to register. It does say it could take 24 hours but I did mine months ago and can't recall now... I thought it was quick and painless though.

Once logged in you will have access to all the 100 and 200 series SID's documents in downloadable pdf format. About 2 MB files.

Click on 100 SE Series. Then on the lower right corner of the next page...
You will see SID Information.

Then the next page will have all the active links to all the Service Manual revisions that have just been released.
SID Documents
100 Series 200 Series HPSE
D138-1TR7 (Model 100 Series 1953 - 1962 Serv. Man.)
D470-TR6 (Model 200 Series 1960 - 1965 Serv. Man.)
D637-1TR9 (Model 100 Series 1963 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D606-2TR7 (Model 200 Series 1966 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D841-8TR8 (Model 177 Series 1968 - 1978 Serv. Man.)
D693-1TR8 (Centurion Series 1969 Serv. Man.)
D849-5TR7 (Reims Rocket 1968 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D2004-5TR11 (Model 210 Series 1970 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D971-3TR6 (Model 150 Series 1969 - 1976 Serv. Man.)

Plus many others..

Anonymous (not verified)
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There are no teeth to a SID inspection. Even if you are operating 135 what is required is what is listed in the regs. Annual, Pitot Static, etc... An AD is manadatory, Cessna will even admit if asked that they are not mandatory only recommended. That said if you have the aircraft opened up it would not hurt to look but again they are not required.

n14ky
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Even beyond that, FAA Legal as a letter of Interpritation that says "Current" maintenance pubs are the ones that were current at the time the airworthiness certificate was issued, not the latest ones published.

acena
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perhaps under FAA registration but under europeen registration (EASA). you need to take into account all new manufacturers publication (like Maintenance manual in particular), one year after at least. SID and CPCP have been included into Maintenance manual (view as a Mandatory publication) so it's mandatory to included them in maintenance programm (part M sub part G) ..

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